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does a potential fusion of science and the arts create the conditions for some new category (unhappy word!), other than scientist or artist?

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Dear David Spooner,
just a quick thank you note: I was recommending Imago to an American literary friend of mine, and it seemed he wouldn't be able to read it, but then I struck on your site! Looking at your background, you obviously should do Fechner's Zend-Avesta next, that would have him in ecstasy.
Much appreciation
Lutz Eitel

David: Could you possibly send me a copy (paper or electronic) of your paper 'Alfred Russel Wallace's Swallowtails: Mimicry & Evolution'? Also, bibliographic info. I try to keep up as much as possible on Wallace-related materials. Thanks! --Charles H. Smith, Ph.D., Western Kentucky University charles.smith@wku.edu

Question: How would you relate (or not relate) the four-stage process of egg, larva, pupa, imago to the four-stage creative process of saturation, incubation, illumination, and verification as discussed by Murray Gell-Mann on pp. 264-265 of _The Quark and the Jaguar_? The passage can be viewed at Google Books as linked via a Google search on: each-found-a-contradiction Gell-Mann - Ben Udell, Queens, NY, USA

Response from David Spooner to Ben Udell:
`chitinous` (so to say) 4s are zooming about the universe. They determine the structure of much of reality, thought and experimental processes. You have many that are new to me, especially in regard to that latter category, and Hyatt Carter has many more (www.hyattcarter.com). The Gell-Mann endorsement of the Helmholz-Poincaré tetradic system of discovery/experimentation is a compacted version of the philological and evolutionary cluster ova-larva-pupa-imago.

However, this latter organic process has the virtue of ultimately opening out and fusing the human species, in its long-term evolution and maturation, more profoundly with the living world of nature. {as I explain in my books from the 1995 Metaphysics to the 2005 Insect-Populated}. It draws the realm of abstract thought back towards the earth, and thereby supplements the human relation to the great apes with one to the insect world in its evolution.

First posted on Friday, December 5, 2008— David Spooner - threes & fours in insect metamorphosis & the human spirit David Spooner holds that three-stage and four-stage processes of insect metamorphosis find deep echoes in human experience and imagination. Insect metamorphosis -- (A) the earlier-evolved triadic and gradual hemimetabolic metamorphosis (ovum, nymph, completed imago, e.g. the grasshopper) and (B) the tetradic and abrupt holometabolic metamorphosis, (1) from ovum, egg, (2) to larva, grub, caterpillar, (3) then pupa or chrysalis, and (4) finally the imago - butterfly, bee, moth, wasp or beetle, -- are processes which Spooner seeks in his books to show are "more crucial to natural selection than evolutionary theorists have accepted. While not disputing Darwin, I work from A.R. Wallace`s insights. If we start from the greatest works of human consciousness (Beethoven, Mozart, Melville, Shakespeare), then humanity owes as much obliquely to the insect as the ape." -- Spooner on the homepage of his Website at the Authors' Guild. On his Website at Authors` Guild, I asked Spooner a question about the Helmholz-Poincaré picture of the creative process (which I find well-correlated with my tetrastic structure): "How would you relate (or not relate) the four-stage process of egg, larva, pupa, imago to the four-stage creative process of saturation, incubation, illumination, and verification as discussed by Murray Gell-Mann on pp. 264-265 of _The Quark and the Jaguar_? The passage can be viewed at Google Books as linked via a Google search on: each-found-a-contradiction Gell-Mann" -- and Spooner responded: Response from David Spooner to Ben Udell: `chitinous` (so to say) 4s are zooming about the universe. They determine the structure of much of reality, thought and experimental processes. You have many that are new to me, especially in regard to that latter category, and Hyatt Carter has many more (www.hyattcarter.com). The Gell-Mann endorsement of the Helmholz-Poincaré tetradic system of discovery/experimentation is a compacted version of the philological and evolutionary cluster ova-larva-pupa-imago. However, this latter organic process has the virtue of ultimately opening out and fusing the human species, in its long-term evolution and maturation, more profoundly with the living world of nature. {as I explain in my books from the 1995 Metaphysics to the 2005 Insect-Populated}. It draws the realm of abstract thought back towards the earth, and thereby supplements the human relation to the great apes with one to the insect world in its evolution." It will take me a while to absorb his basic ideas. - posted by The Tetrast @ 8:47 PM Copyright © Benjamin Ude11

The possibility of the evolution of what you might want to call scienarters is very unlikely. As Edward O. Wilson wrote, each discipline, or in your terms category, jealously guards its own territory. And this is enshrined unfortunately in the modern faculties. Jeff, Oregon


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